Storm water. This is a big one, but we’ve… We got this, this is for… this portion right here is for… I guess, operating budget for storm water for potential new apartment. So one of the, you know, Stormwater is a huge animal. It’s just like streets or anything else. I mean, like all other utilities, and I know you all heard this a ton, but this is something we’ve got to try to start addressing. And we got a couple issues there. I mean, with the stormwater, we have, um, we have the actual physical system that the town operates, and improvements we need to do there, and maintenance on that. But then we have the other side of it, we have the permit with the state that we’re under, that we’re operating under. And they’re sort of, they’re two completely different things, but they’re very integrated. So the permit, just a little quick, super quick thing on this. The permit operates like this in the most basic way. So assume that You’re all that, or you’re all sitting up there is one of the streams or creeks in the town. This podium is the town of Greenville Stormwater system. This little table would be a development. Any development or anything that discharges water here into the town of Greenville system, then into a stream, we are 100% responsible for. But if you have a development over here that discharges directly into a stream and doesn’t go through the town system, we’re not responsible. That’s the state’s responsibility. Our problem is, we don’t know how much of either one we have. So we don’t know what we’re responsible for and what we’re not. So that’s a big problem and we’ve got to really try to start addressing that by figuring out what we have and what we’re responsible for. So part of this, under just the operating budget, would be to put in a stormwater technician person that can do a couple different things. They could help us start collecting some of that information. But one of the things we’re responsible for in this permit is anytime there’s a development, any over, all over town, where like through planning or something, we approve a storm war detention facility. We have a maintenance agreement signed with that developer, saying they’re going to maintain this in the way it was designed. That’s part of this permit compliance. We have that. We have the document, but we don’t follow up on it. We’re supposed that’s supposed to be inspected every year. They’re supposed to send an inspection into the town once every 5 years by a engineer to certify it. I’m not going to say it doesn’t happen, but it virtually doesn’t happen. So what I’m proposing is we had to, we have a staff member, that staff member, can actually start going out and we can, we already have the structure in place with a few tweaks. The we can start charging a stormwater inspection fee. We can send them out to actually inspect all these facilities. It’s any commercial development or any industrial development. So we are in, we’re in compliance with that permit, but also that can help generate some revenue to help offset this salary. We determine what that permit fee is, which we haven’t looked that far yet. But I think there’s a way to help offset some of that. But this is just the first step in trying to really get a grasp on what we even have, because we had a initial survey that was done way back in like 2014, 2015 when we 1st come under this permit. And this is the 3rd iteration of the permit, the state or the town’s under, which I think that’s 12 or 14 years into this, and we’re still trying to get everything in compliance. Luckily, we haven’t got hit with the audit finding on some of this stuff, but we’re very fortunate that we haven’t. And so we had this survey that was done back then that Brad had done, and I think that’s what he was told they were due at the time and we had funding for it. But essentially, it just located things that were on public right away throughout the town, a pop or a ditch or whatever. But there’s no info. I don’t know if that pops 6 inches big or 60 inches big. I don’t know if it’s falling apart or if it’s in perfect condition. We have no information other than I can look on the map and say, oh, there’s a ditch over there. So as far as the storm, the other side of this is trying to figure out how to make improvements or how to fix things, we have no information. So this makes it, you know, almost impossible to try to do anything. So we’ve got to try to figure out a way to start tackling this problem a little bit at a time. So this is just an initial push to try to establish some form of, uh, personnel that we can start trying to do this, and we can try to, I was trying to set this up so we can maybe do this and help generate some revenue to help offset some of the cost of it. So it’s not just a pure dead cost. So that’s that’s this part of it. And for the capital part, what we were asking for, so some of this stuff goes, hey, this is public works. The, you know, one of the big problems with, or the big challenges of the stormwatch system is we’ve got to keep it clean for it to function what we do have. So that means street sweeper, keeping the streets clean, vacuum truck, which is used to clean, the storm drains out. We’ve got to have that basic maintenance equipment. I think the truck’s got, they’ve got now is in desperate need of a refurbishment to get it to work, and that street sweeper is sort of on its last leg, so that’s what we were talking about too. And then the other part of this would be some survey equipment to actually allow that staff person to start collecting some data on this stuff, and then we’re in desperate need of this van system with an inspection camera system. We’re currently using water commissions and they’re letting us use that when we need it. But I think, you know, they, It’s something it’s a big risk to them to let us use that equipment because their system is way more expensive than what we’re proposing. Their camera system today has about $300,000. And if that thing gets hung up in a pop somewhere, it doesn’t matter if it’s under this building, they’re going to go dig it out to find it. So it’s a big liability for them and I don’t know how much longer they’re going to continue to be, you know, allowing us to use that equipment. So we’re looking at something on our own, but we can have something to try to inspect some of these facilities, some of the ditches, culverts, you know, facilities, because we just, we don’t have that equipment right now. So that’s sort of the basics of that. I mean… And we put together a, I don’t know, I feel like we sent this in, but we put together a long range. I did I did a lot of research to try to put together a long-range sort of stormwater capital improvement plan for the 10-year plan. But this is purely, you know, estimates because we don’t have any real data to go on. We really don’t know what we’ve got, but probably about $26 million over 10 years. And of that, 24 the 26th is actual turning dirt construction projects. There’s a very minimal I put in there as far as engineering and design. The majority of it is actually infrastructure. Um, and, you know, that could fluctuate up and down. That’s a, that’s a huge, huge thing to try to tackle when you don’t have very good information to base it on. And we did the best we could. You think, um, the mighty life, the, the, the, the, the, his office a little bit. I’m not. Just any my it has a camera on. Yeah, I mean, the issue is that this is a storm drain system is different than a regular pop. You got a smooth pop, you can slide a camera down. You know, you got corrugated pops and things. So this is different. You have to have different equipment to try to get it to penetrate very far into those pops. So it’s more of a specialized type thing. So that’s, you know, there’s a lot more capital needs than this. but we sort of scaled that down and this was what we’re looking at. And a minimum, and setting up a fund that amount on the bottom, just we know we have repairs that we need to do. We don’t know exactly where they are and how bad they are, because we don’t have good information, but we know we need some funding to do that, and Scott and I talked a lot about this. One of the things we really would like to do is try to get some immediate areas of concern, identified, and try to get some repair, get some engineering design done on a few of these, so we have a project sitting on the shelf ready to go. So if we have the opportunity to get some grant funding, it’s ready to go. We don’t have to wait on it. We’ve got it already prepared. So that’s sort of in our plan too, if we can start moving that direction. Is there some rains out there for this? There are for some of the, we got a good opportunity here, I think, for some grants for major capital improvements because we’ve got, if we treat the whole flood basin or floodplain with FEMA, we’re not just looking at just the storm system. We’re looking at the entire flood basins of the areas that are in the city limits. And we try to make improvements to all of those, because we’ve got a bunch of streams that we know we have flooding issues on those streams that aren’t necessarily tied to storm water. So if we look at it, the whole thing of trying to do a comprehensive review of all of it, there’s a lot more funding options out there for grants to try to do improvements if you’re improving the whole, you know, storm or the whole water flow, basically, drainage basically. From whom? There’s a lot of those that are actually through FEMA themselves and through the state, FEMA really wants to push stuff that we’re doing more of a regional detention. That’s one thing that I had sort of proposed in there. We look at that would be, so you take a prime example is the pond at Hard Park. That stormwater feeds into that. It holds it. It’s a public recreation area, but then that discharges out slowly. If we can look at systems like that, possibly around town, then that would help mitigate some of that storm water and slow it down and control it, and it provides also recreation, other areas, those are the kind of projects that really are up there on the list to get funding opportunities. Or the position that you’re, that you’re recommending, or posing water, the basic qualifications that you’d be looking at are eyeing? I mean, for that position, are you talking about like a map, like an engineer? No, no, no, like a storm, it’s got, you could help me honest. Yeah. He’s probably got a Scott’s got a better idea than I do. I know there’s like certification programs for like pregnant UT and T deck, have like part programs for one minute, program. Like is that, did you want them to already have that, or is it, that would be something they would get, I guess, when they come in, or is that something that you want back on? I mean, I think probably at that particular salary range, you would get more of a technician, kind of an advanced technician, that we would either have the erosion control certifications through the state, or we would send them for that. They would need some GIS experience, some stormwater experience. I mean, it’d just be kind of someone who’s maybe been a technician. And there’s a lot of those other municipalities that have regular stormwater departments, half technicians, that do this type of stuff. They’re not engineers, they may not necessarily, wouldn’t require a degree necessarily, but maybe a two year and a technical field. But really, this person would be that hands on, out in the field, data collection, field inspection type thing. Yes, and we’ve got some pretty decent budget in there for training, ’cause we know there’s a lot of training certification we’ve got to have for this. But, yeah, I feel the same way. It’s more of it’s this is the boots on the ground person out there in the field. I mean, that’s what we’re lacking right now. We’ve got to get… We’ve gotta get eyes on inspecting this stuff and seeing what we’ve got. And I just feel, I mean, this is the kind of thing that can be subcontracted out, and it can we could look at all these different things, but I personally feel we’re better off having somebody that works for the town here that’s out there looking at this instead of relying on a paper written report by somebody else that looked that day. We need, we’re way behind the 8 ball. We need to be able to get that information as quick as we can. All right, development services. This one for the budget, the salary, I think, on this year, I think last year’s, it didn’t really, that was before my position came. I mean, this sort of started last year and I don’t know where it can depend on how that was. But I mean, we’ve got a, there was another person in there budgeted for this year that we haven’t hired yet also, and I’ve really pushed that as far as we possibly could to try to save some money this year. So, but we’re in the process of that, but that’s where that budget, the salary, I think, was that at the operating expense, the increase there, basically is to cover a computer for a new person, office furniture, some a big chunk of it is GIS. We put an extra about $3,500 in there for GIS to increase the our ability with the provider to provide more information on the website portal to make it more user-friendly for the public, so that encrosses an increase in that. And we have add another user to the GIS software and to replace some other software that we don’t have. We got a lot of basic engineering software that we had previously when Brad Peters was here, but after he left, the subscriptions went away. We don’t even have the basic software. have AutoCAT or anything, but we can’t even open drawings. So there’s a lot, that’s basically a lot what of that is to get basic operational software back so we can actually try to do our job. on that. And then on the Capitol, really, the only thing I’m, we really need a vehicle is bad. I mean, I’m out every day 2 or 3 times a day, honestly. I’m driving my own vehicle. I don’t care. doesn’t bother me. But I don’t, we really need to start doing inspections on a lot of stuff that I’m really pushing outside inspections. And I don’t know, it’s not really fair to our staff to have to have them use their own vehicles. We are desperate need of some kind of a vehicle. for this department. Okay, so we’re gone. Glad to answering questions for you. Jones? We did?. Opportunities.
We’re making headway. We’re making a lot of headway.
